Who will care for them?

I've been reading an awesome book by Francis Chan called Crazy Love. He is an amazing person. For each chapter there are video's to go along with the chapter (for group studies). Watching this video made me think of the topic I am talking about today. I will post the video below.

In many other blogs there has been this topic of discussion about who will take care of my wife or family when the husband dies (so this is nothing new). We all know where ntcc stands. They won't do a crying thing. They don't care. All they care about is while the husband is alive he is working hard, giving all his time, blood, sweat, tears, and finances to them. They don't want the husband saving for his family in the event of his passing. They may try to say that isn't true but it is. They keep you so poor with disallowing the wife from working (read Proverbs 31 without listening to their twisted version and see the virtous woman had a job!) But the man is the only person allowed to work and seldom are they able to get a really good job because they have to give all their time to ntcc. So with the husband doing his best to make ends be met, how in the world is one to try to save for the future? They promote if you have money give more. Give until it hurts we've all heard it said (I can attest to hearing that more times than I can remember).

I could say more but it's already in several blogs out there. For anyone who has gone through this I'd like to see you share your story in the comments if you would. I think the more it's out there for people to read, the more visible it is, someone may read it and help them realize the truth.

To add some scripture to this, the following shows if you don't provide for your own family you're worse than an infidel. It also shows us we should visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction or need.

1 Timothy 5:8 - But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

James 1:27 - Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


chap 8  video from Crazy Love by Francis Chan (worth the watch, less than 7 minutes) This guy really challenges his audience in every aspect in the Word (thru each chapter of his book). I love how these people step up. They will help take care of each other if someone passed away. I know people who are men and women of God who will do the same too. If a wife who never worked a day in her life because she married at age 16, 18, whatever loses her husband at say age 55, who is going to hire her? What will pennies from the government due for her? Take her in. Put a roof over her head. Help her find a job, get her on her feet, allow her to stay a while and save. When she's ready, help her find a place for herself. That is what God would want you to do. Ntcc doesn't want you to care. Why not care? My Father in heaven does!

PS: If the video doesn't open for some reason, go to You Tube, type in Frances Chan Crazy Love Chapter 8

Abortions & fear, ntcc style

I'm going to interupt the run down of my life journey thru ntcc for the following:

I was sitting here thinking about the blog and thought Lord, where shall I start next? I mean after all, if I put every single little detail in here, we'd be here accounting for 13+ years worth. And I immediately got the following three situations (names will not be included as 2 parties didn’t want their names shared and the other I didn’t obtain permission to share).

·  Shortly after leaving ntcc a friend took me to a few classes for healing. In one class they end with people that pray over you and any topas (Greek for strong holds) in your life, etc. I was sitting and talking to someone prior to my prayer session. She asked me my story. I gave a very brief scenario. She asked what church I used to attend. When I told her she said OH! I recognized the tone but didn't ask. Later I did however ask what that meant. She shared she's helped people who have left the very same church and heard many stories and shared one with me that just takes the prize. She said that she worked part time as a counselor at a women’s clinic. She said two women on separate occasions came in for an abortion. Both women attended the seminary at ntcc in Graham, WA. They both were too afraid to tell anyone and both claimed they didn’t have family or friends that could help them or that would understand. THIS is what ntcc is creating! RWD, MCK you have instilled fear into these people. The bible tells us to love the sinner, not condemn them.  Those young women were horrified and now they will live with this for the rest of their lives. This lady shared with me their fear of what would happen if anyone knew they had sex, much less got pregnant. Sin is sin but God doesn’t condemn people the way ntcc does! God still loves them and patiently waits for them. At ntcc you learn how to ACT perfect. Thespians is what you get from ntcc. If you want a real relationship with God, LEAVE - God is waiting to love you!

·  Friend A – wants to leave ntcc. She has visited other churches on occasion. Her husband is aware and is fine with it. She told me that her husband agrees with her. She has shared how she knows that church shouldn’t be the way ntcc is. She said the only reason they haven’t left yet was her husband was too scared to leave. RWD, MCK, this isn’t a small man, he’s very well built and he has been beaten down so mentally he’s afraid to leave. Don’t laugh borg leaders, you will be held accountable (yes, I know you will eventually sneak and read this and I can already hear your snarly little comments!).

·  Friend B – also wants to leave ntcc but her husband is not convinced (YET but I’m praying!!). She fears she may have to up and leave without him. I pray not, but more so I pray for their salvation, sanity, and marriage. Ntcc – do you pray for their marriage? No, if she leaves, you’ll tell him it’s ok brother, your wife left, here, have someone else’s left over’s.

For those who feel helpless, hopeless, have no where to turn, it's not true. If you are feeling disparaged, and feel you have no one who cares, if you feel God isn't there, it isn't true! He is. You can always email me and I will be happy to talk with you. My direct email address is mommakat01@yahoo.com Hope and healing is out there for you, ntcc isn't the end of the road. It's the road you should leave behind you.

From the top . . . . .

Once upon a time . . . . (not too long ago LOL) I was born (hey how much more
of a beginning can we get right?? LOL) in Phoenix, AZ. (OK you'll see why I share, just follow me. . . . . from the top). I was sent on the church bus every Sunday morning. Reverend Worley of 67th Ave Baptist Church was my pastor (hell, fire & brimstone preacher with a huge heart of gold). When I was 12 he saw the love of the Lord in my life. My pastor invited me to consider being baptized after having a long talk with me and concluding I loved and believed in the Lord. The baptism never happened and my mom didn't send me to church any more.
When I was 15, I really wanted to be in church. I asked my mom and she finally allowed me to go to church again. When I was 16 I remembered reading Romans and I had been reading "Tracks" (something ntcc doesn't believe in using but it made the difference in my life!). I remember I was sitting in the youth room, behind the stage.  I had the bible in my hand and the tracks and I prayed to God, confessing my sins. I'll never forget that day! I had my then good friend looking for me. She came to me and asked me what was wrong (I was so excited I could barely speak). I told her and we just started shouting and jumping around like fish out of water. She said I want what you have so I told her everything I had read and knew and she prayed too. Again, fish out of water and we danced! It didn't take a holiness church (not bashing true holiness churches); it didn't take some hypocrite forcing stuff down my throat. It took time and it took God. With that, I was able to be a witness. I shared this part of my life to show my heart, my passion; my desire to know God (will tie in later as I go). 

In my 20's I left God, though he never left me. I rebelled and drank a little, a little doing the wrong things, etc. I had the best friend ever at this time of my life. Her name was Celina. She was literally like a sister to me. She and I were closer than anyone I have ever been close to. Thru my rebellious time, she was a good person, though she'd never been in a church. One day she had to go somewhere and decided to take a bus rather than her car. She met a woman on the bus that day. This woman told her about God. My friend (my then roommate) came home and told me about it and said she wanted to find a church and go. I knew God was talking to me. I didn't want to go that very next day. We agreed we'd go in a couple of weeks. Instead, a few nights later she and her boyfriend went to go visit his family. There was a freak accident in which she was hospitalized and a few weeks later she passed away.

I kept my promise to go back to church. I tried a few but no commitment yet. During this time of "Church shopping" if you want to call it, I hired someone when I worked at Yellow Cab of Phx. Unfortunately he wasn't very forth coming. His wife (We’ll call her “Chris") came in with a 2 month old baby and begged for me to keep him. This was the first encounter I had with someone from ntcc. I wish I would've gone with my gut and asked her to leave. Unfortunately I listened and I ended up hiring her instead (her plea's of no money, no food, and a brand new baby got to me). So, on her first night she was to work, I would do the training; my phone rang. It was Chris. She tells me her car broke down and she's trying everything she can to get in and she'll be there
as soon as she had a ride. Sucker - I asked her where she was. She gave the app. location. I said well I live right there, I'll pick you up, you find a ride home. I got to the location, it was her church.
Her pastor (Rev. Hall) came out to meet me. He and his wife are
really nice people. I have a hard time at this point of discussing my past because they are such nice people. BUT the most important thing I want to share today is; either they are nice and had a true desire as I did and they were brainwashed and really think they are right OR they are just as conniving as RWD, MCK and the rest of the leaders. Either way, no matter what, each of us has a story or as long as they stand by ntcc it speaks volumes to me. Those who have read the bible as much as he has, that have been preaching as long as he has, there has to be a degree in which they questioned what they were really being taught and what they were preaching and turned a blinded eye, or they willingly see how the ntcc leaders have gotten rich doing this and they want to be like them. Therefore, though I found the Halls to be very nice people, they stand for brainwashing & hypocrisy.
This “Chris” learned how to be a smooth operator. I didn’t realize then about her that which I know now. You see, right after really getting sucked into ntcc, she was without a place to live. Her lovely husband was in jail. She had 4 children. I had a nice home, a big home at that time (that was before ntcc. Life in ntcc meant I gave up everything including my 2,700 sq ft home!) I ended up moving her and her kids in with me. I quickly observed her lying and making excuses for things. I eventually was called in before the pastor and his wife while she excused her lies away and made it seem like it was me. See she was a seasoned ntcc pro. Don’t get caught, blame the other person and keep your standing. WHY? Because everyone is so brainwashed and so afraid of being bashed! When they suck you in, they get you to leave your family if they don’t join too. You no longer have family and friends. Ntcc is all you have and you don’t want to lose your abuser, after all, it’s all you have! It’s an awful feeling. To this day, “Chris” is still in ntcc and I’m sure she hasn’t changed. But I now forgive her (there’s more to the story!)

While I may not have strong evidence of wrong doing against ntcc as for the beginning, keep checking back and read as the story unfolds. I’m taking my life at ntcc from the top. I’m not looking to just bring out all the big points of wrong doing but all the points, even the small. With my first two posts the points may be small but they are points. I ask that as you read the various blogs that you’ll pray and ask God to show you the truth. Yes, at times they may be a bit forthcoming (for a lack of better words right now) but there is a lot of truth in these blogs. May you read them and find what God wants to show you and find healing.

I will conclude with the final questions, thought & scripture. When I was in ntcc, I heard Matthew 15 preached many times about the blind leading the blind. Jesus is asked to explain the parable. He basically says are you still dumb (he asks if they still need clarification) but really they were trying to still play dumb! (I say trying to as does ntcc. Many pastors and many BS students have read and heard the bible for how long? They have been preached to for how long? They still act dumb and just listen to whatever is told and they just do it. I can say this for once so was I!) So ntcc preachers – are you still so dumb that you will follow the blind leaders leading you down the wrong path? Are you still willing to spew forth the teachings of ntcc rather than really getting an answer from God and preaching the truth? Pay close attention to your KJV below. It’s what comes out of your mouth that is from the heart. When you lead your members astray, when you belittle them, when you’re greedy with them, it’s all coming from your heart! Why don’t you ask God to really show you the errors of your ways. Don’t criticize me because I’m free and writing about it. Every doubt you ever had was likely God trying to get your attention and you were to twitter pated with following the greedy lies of Davis b/c one day you want to be just like him. Pray and ask God to reveal the truth to you!
Members are you still willing to follow the blind into the ditch? Leave while you have any time of life left. God is good and doesn’t want to see you lying in a ditch.

KJV Matthew 15:10-20
10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.12Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? 13But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. 16And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

It's one thing if you get it from ntcc, go home, use the restroom and move on. It's another thing to sit around and let them take advantage of you. I followed. I had a heart and a passion to serve God. I was gullible and taken advantage of. I worked hard. When it was hard for me I gave more. When I didn't have time or money, I gave more. They preach it. They guilt trip it. They will call you out if you aren't doing it. NO ONE wants to be made an example of and it happens. I lost a lot in ntcc but God has blessed me more since I left. I have friends who care about me and my spiritual destiny. They won’t abandon me because I asked a question or because I left their church.

May you find peace and comfort and your days be filled with joy and the knowledge of a loving God who is full of grace.

Blessings,

Kat

A place for Xers to gather; find hope & healing & how to move forward (X NTCC, cult, legalistic church, HOPCC, all are welcome).

Welcome. This is my first post and first attempt at blogging. I have recently started following other blogs that have the same mission - to help others who have left ntcc (New Testament Christian Church) find their voice and find healing. Whether you are an Xer, exploring leaving, wondering why you are in a religion and don't seem to find God, please know you are welcome! If you are one of those still in a cult and wish to challenge, I suppose you're welcome too but you may not like hearing the truth.

I was in the ntcc for just over 13 years. Since leaving, I have had to deal with trying to heal and recover. Those of us who were sucked into the manipulative control of ntcc lost years of our lives, our families’ lives, etc. NTCC teaches if your family isn't saved you leave them behind. They will quote the bible to you in a twisted way to make you believe it is right. They will tell you to leave the unsaved family members by quoting: KJV Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. They will tell you they are dead spiritually - leave them and tell you to only do "God's work".

Let's talk about God's work. God didn't tell us to abandon our family. He didn't tell us to ignore the poor, the sick, the hungry. Because yes, they thumb their noses at the homeless, the unemployed, those in need, etc.
Jesus did tell us to go and preach the kingdom of God but I challenge any one to show me where in the bible it tells you to neglect your family and those around you in the world. In fact, in Matthew 9:10, it says: 
And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
And in Mark 2:13-17 it says: 
¹³ Once again Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him, and he began to teach them. ¹⁴ As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” Jesus told him, and Levi got up and followed him.
¹⁵ While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. ¹⁶ When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
^{1 7} On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” (I can add more scriptures but these 2 make a point).
So they don't want you to spend time with your unsaved family or friends. Well the bible tells me that God came to save those who are lost. Even Christ ate with the unrighteous when He was here on earth. How else would you reach those who are lost? The ntcc often said we weren't called to have a soup kitchen. We weren't called to play sports. We weren't called to this that and the other. Well Jesus walked seeking those who were lost. And while the leaders in ntcc will preach these things at you, their children are participating in sports. Now, don't get me wrong, NOW I know there is nothing wrong with sports. I enjoy football! GO Niners (ok when the season rolls back around). But the leaders at ntcc are so corrupt and so deceitful. Check out any of the blogs or come back to mine from time to time. I'll share more as time goes on. There is quite a bit out there on these various blogs and I only hope and wish others will stand up and bring more to light so the truth comes out about how this church really is.  

They twist the scripture and brainwash you into believing what they say. When I attended, even when I went to their seminary, any time I read the bible, I could always hear what they said as I read. They tell you repeatedly if you question what they say, it's just the devil and if you give in to those thoughts and leave you're going to hell. 

Because of all the brain washing we didn't get to enjoy family time. Yet the leaders did. You always had to work, work, work. All work is of the Old Testament. Jesus came and offered grace. He didn't want us to do nothing but work. Works will NOT get us into heaven.  When I make friends with sinners I'M NOT going to hell. In fact, over time, I will show them the love in my heart and that my friend is how you win a sinner to Christ. NOT by forcing them to go or condemning them for not going. If I go to a bowling alley and make a new friend and over the course of time they see the love of God in me and come to know him, I did more than what ntcc has done.

Again there is so much to say and I want to blog from the beginning (I suppose, unless that changes) and allow the events of my life to unfold during the course of my life with ntcc. But for now, I will jump to the end. I spent the last few years of my life at ntcc miserable. All I could think was I HAD to keep going to ntcc though my heart knew this wasn't a place of God. I was finally realizing ntcc wasn't all they make their self out to be. I wanted to leave more than anything but the repeated brain washing left me feeling like if I left, I'd be on a one way ticket straight to hell. I went into a deep depression I had spiraled so bad that I honestly felt God allowed me to be born to show if he wanted to create a mistake, I would be it. I wanted to be dead more than anything. I had someone who did some work for my job once a week and she saw me in despair (I'm sure God showed her). She kept encouraging me to attend church she went to. I eventually got to the point all I wanted to do was go no where that had anything to do with God. This is sadly a feeling many people go thru at ntcc.

Eventually I left. After leaving, I went to a counselor. Not knowing anything about the former church (yet) I was diagnosed with severe depression and PTSD. As time would unfold my life, the counselor discovered I had a bad childhood but it was nothing compared to the mental control that comes from ntcc. PTSD is something that is sadly a part of leaving a cult such as ntcc. You struggle with everything you were brainwashed into believing. Fortunately I have been healing and able to move on and press forward. Unfortunately, my three sons aren't even close to being ok from our time there. They say it takes 1,000 'atta boys' to undo 1 bad thing said. After 13 years of being brain washed, one can only wonder how much time it will take to undo the damage done.

The next post I create will start from my beginning, how and why I came to ntcc. Until then; may you have a wonderful, peace filled life. May love abound and grace be upon you.