I actually did better off when I was single, before I married one of the "Ministers". He lied about his ability to earn a descent living. He worked @ $10/hr. I was making almost double that. I provided for my boys and we went to conference all the time (Well I didn't take them but to 1/3rd) but I went. They were fortunate enough (then) to get a new pair of shoes 1-2 times per year and some new clothes for school. But as soon as I was married, the lies became reality and the problems began financially.
Now there are 2 things I will share that I'm really not proud of and I have a hard time forgiving myself for ever being this way so it's not easy sharing but. . . . .During my first year or so, I had heard over and over and over and over about how kids should behave, how they should act. I was sure since we were a very small group at that time, the pastor was talking about how my boys acted out (normal child acting out but then I started thinking GASP they are so bad). I even went to the pastor for 'counseling' yeah joke - they don't counsel. Anyway I asked him what I should do to correct them. He would reference spare the rod, spoil the child. He even used stories of sometimes you have to whip them into submission. I even recall asking how you know if it really sends the message. I was told something like you'll know because the tears will turn real - something like they give crocodile tears then when they know you mean business they turn real. So I thought ok, that's what I need to do. I took my son to his room one time when he acted out and I spanked and spanked until the tears became real. To this day I hate I ever did that and it was the last time also!
It gets worse though. I told my pastor about it. It was laughed about but really, I think now, why in the world wouldn't he have said woman, you can't do that to your child, that's border line child abuse or really, it is child abuse. He could have reported me to authorities for doing that. As his duty as a "Minister" he should have! Instead, it was laughed off and comments were made, about him learning and I bet he'll remember that every time he sits down and so on (paraphrasing). This is ntcc folks and you can (as MCK would say) ‘bet your thumpin gizzard’ this isn’t the only case of something like this! I heard parents all the time making comments and they weren’t nice. Parents get extremely embarrassed if a child does something because again, they don’t want to get lamb basted! THEY ARE CHILDREN! LET THEM BE KIDS!!
As I said, I didn’t continue on with spanking like that but I did get upset at them if they were ‘out of line’. I’d ground them, send them to their room, make them sit something out, etc. Yes, I know parents all over the world do it but it’s different when your kids are already lacking your time because you’re giving it all to a cult. So the next thing that really bothered me is when my oldest son graduated 7th grade. The pastor’s wife kept saying you’ll be able to make it to church still after wards. I sat there at a first graduation of any of my boys more worried about why are they running behind? Why is this taking so long? I’m going to miss if they don’t hurry up, what will I tell them? RIDICULOUS! But this is all part of the brainwashing. . . . . . controlling your every thought. We didn’t make it to service that night. I did stay and finally concluded you know what, whatever. It’s my son’s graduation and so be it.
In conclusion, I’ve apologized to my boys over and over. I finally have gotten to the point where they forgive me now I have to forgive myself, and I have. That is why the guilt has turned to I have to help someone. We are here to share our stories and other’s stories in hopes to help. If someone reads any of these blogs and says yep, been there done that, there is help. There is hope. Reach out to one of us. We care! God cares! Your children might not get any better if you don’t leave, get healing and confess your brainwashed ways as wrong. My oldest son recently gave his life to Christ. He was the boy in both of these stories. He has seen a genuine change and healing in my life. Your children can too. God bless you and may you open your heart to hear the truth from God.
2 comments:
Keep up the good work Kat. We are glad that you were able to forgive yourself. Many people have difficulties forgiving themselves for their past because of the ntcc. It was not your fault. You did what you were told was the right thing to do and you asked your pastor for guidance. Imagine that.
I have never been a parent but I raised my younger brother when my parents were gone every night. I was not a Christian, but there were times that I disciplined my younger brother by spanking him. I didn't spank him until the tears were real, and I also loved him and spent a lot of time with him. I only had to spank him 2 or 3 times and he started listening to me and stopped misbehaving. I gave him lots of attention and that was all he really needed. My parents used to marvel at how well behaved he was whenever I was watching him.
The problem in the ntcc is that you never get to spend the time that you need to with your kids. I believe that the missing ingredient in a happy family is Quality time spent together. You can spank them until their butts turn blue and your belt becomes a permanent part of your hand (kinda like the jawbone of the ass) and the only thing that will accomplish is your kids will try to find love from another source. If you ever wondered why ntcc kids were so messed up it's because they never experienced the love that only their parents can give them. I grew up that way. I got in so much trouble because I was seeking much needed attention from my peers because I couldn't get it from my parents.
The ntcc is an extremely hostile and unloving and uncaring environment to raise a child in. The ntcc leaders that told you not to spare the rod, learned that from Davis who raised a spoiled brat named Tanya, and a spoiled grandson that's not even a Christian named Grant. From what I've heard from every account, Tanya and Grant were disciplined very little. Any one who tells you to keep spanking until the tears become real is just looking for a short cut that keeps them from spending time with their children. That is one of the stupidest things I ever heard, but we all do stupid things when we are brainwashed. I look back on the years that I've wasted with the ntcc and the life decisions that I made while under the influence of their intoxicating mind control, and all you can do is learn from it and try to warn others. Some people continually beat themselves over their heads all the time and they never find peace and never get healing. It's sad, but there will always be suckers out there that will sacrifice their lives to make others fat and happy.
I'll take love, grace, mercy and peace any day over all that garbage. Keep sharing your stories Sister, There are people out there that are struggling with these very same issues and there are folks that need to hear your testimony.
DnA thank you! I will humble myself and share anything I did wrong and pray it helps at least 1 person. They are being reached as I shared in a comment on your blog. I'm getting comments in private and that's ok. I can't say how liberating it is to get your voice! I can thank ntcc for one thing . . . . now that I have received healing from what we've endured, I am a stronger person than I ever was! I'm not afraid to speak the truth and to stand for what is right. For those who are afraid to comment, you shouldn't have to. I started as anonymous, then moved on to K . . . . then I took the leap and put my name out there. When I did, freedom and strength followed. It's a complete opposite from who I was before and especially during ntcc.
You know, I watched Dr. Phil last night. For the last 2 days he had on there a woman who was severely abused by her boyfriend. Physical abuse was only some, he severely mentally and emotionally abused her. Dr. Phil helped her to be free and put her in a shelter in an undisclosed location and gave her all the help she’ll need to become reconditioned. It all reminded me of life in ntcc. He gave a list of the top characteristics of abuse. While not all may apply (to some they will) but as an “organization” over all, NONE of these should apply but too many do! The characteristics were: 1)Suffers isolation, 2)called names, 3)life threatened, 4)intimidated, 5)controlled: Where to go, what to wear, who to see, 6)physically harmed, 7)Has property destroyed, 8)children threatened, 9)endures emotional extortion, 10)apologizes/makes excuses for the abuser. How many of these remind you of ntcc? Raise your hand if you agree its AT LEAST half! (My hand is up . . . . both are and now my feet!) YES these are a professionals list of abuse characteristics.
Number 10 – STOP APOLOGIZING people! STOP MAKING EXCUSES! Been there, done that! If you have to make excuses for your church, it’s not of God. Become liberated. As DnA so nicely put it above, “I'll take love, grace, mercy and peace any day over all that garbage.” Amen!
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