In ntcc they encourage if the spouse leaves, the one remaining is FREE to remarry - WELL it is so far from the truth, especially here! HE chose to leave b/c I wouldn't put up with his hypocritical crap any longer. I wonder how many of them "Licensed Preachers" are just like him? He never read, prayed, said anything Godly, UNLESS he was AT church or in front of others, then it was AMEN Brother, Lord Willing, Praying For you, or I read.....the other day - COME ON folks what a lying crock of nonsense! You ain't praying for no one. And Lord willing? LORD WILLING you'd get a brain and get out of thespianism already and become a REAL Christian. And when do they read? The "Licensed Minister" that was my "Husband" (JOKE there) but any way - he never read. Who else? I'd ask, beg him to read with me or pray with me. There was more time for the "Un-TV" on the "Sinnernet" then there was for God. But shhhh don't tell anyone we're watching TV shows or movies on the sinnernet - woulnd't want to be lamb basted or get in trouble. (AKA - shunned) Key words and actions that are important to think about when determining - NTCC IS REALLY A CULT.
So little Danny boy told me - oh yeah, you want a divorce, I'm leaving. Well I never told him that (until yesterday - 8/13/13). Now I've tried communicating since before yesterday to no response - when I said ok, I'm ready to do this, I need an address to serve you for divorce, boy he chimed right in! Hmmm what a big hypocrite.
BUT this is where I'm going. . . . he is part of this cult and is a terrible yet good actor like the rest. Goodness, I look back now and see all the theatrics of that cult. . . . I too once was a thespian and I didn't even know it. I didn't start off one. I had a true and genuine desire to worship and serve the Lord when I came to this cult. They seek the genuine and tender hearted. They know how to turn them around and manipulate and that is what they did. They take you to services, or thespian classes if you will. They act, they repetitively act at that. The more the repetitions, the more brainwashing you receive. I stumbled on a couple of articles on how to determine a cult and how to exit a cult. I'm going to post both. We've had things like this before either on mine or any of the other blogs but I think it's good to keep it freshly posted for anyone who comes to it and needs it.
When I was in the cult of ntcc, it was very hard for me to believe any of their nonsense wasn't true until finally one day I just left THEN God could show me. Outsiders can see it. They try to tell you and point it out - we discount it. There are so many trues that shouldn't be discounted in these.
How to determine a cult:
1.
1
Learn the organization's foundations. Cults tend to have very simple and similar foundations and common factors
having all or some of the following:
o A
charismatic founder, leader or leadership.
o Have a structured central bureaucracy.
o Simplified goal or aim
structure, such as to save something
or introduce something to everyone.
o A society history, most
new initiates are invariably required
to learn and respect the founding
figures.
o There
is a degree of intellectual
limitation, so outside ideas or interaction with non members are not encouraged
o There
is also a system of repercussions,
such as shunning, "time out" or isolating or demotion.
o There
is a system of development, so a person may be groomed or encouraged to go
towards certain roles, or assist in various ways.
o There
is a tithe, membership dues or other system of getting money from members,
rather than earning it externally.
Think about how common this is. You might notice that most political parties, social clubs, sporting
& health clubs, credit and
banking systems, most religions and
nationalities actually have these features
and these are not what would be
classified as dangerous.
o
Most political parties
have founding members, political history, ideology and identity and discourages
interaction with "non members" or those with a different ways of looking at things. In effect there is an entrenched
discouragement to change ideas, while having a trained loyalty system. There is also a degree
of reverence
for political leaders in the past, only if they were
of that particular party, but members who cross the floor are deemed traitors.
Avoid becoming paranoid. Because the system used is so mainstream,
you probably will be seeing it everywhere
but that does not make every society or group dangerous. It just gives them the
potential to be one.
Decide if there
is an element of exploitation either financial or personal. This ultimately is where
groups cross the line into a dangerous organization.
Look for the key danger signals for medium
level risks: It may be OK to have some association
with them, but stay on guard.
o Members are encouraged to do certain practices, methods &
techniques and only those. There is
no exploration, modification or comparison with other similar or different systems.
o
The screening of new potential members is quite large as
they filter looking for suitable like minded, or easily moldable people. The
society can accept and wear the money costs involved in having a very high
grassroots turnover to get a few potentially ultra-loyal members, like-minded
or easily manipulated members.
o
There
is a noticeable degree of repetition, so key figures
such as the founder and their stories often repeated
to train people to think the same way.
o There
is a medium degree of personal image
inflation to make certain figures
appear greater than they really were
and that association with them is a great
or noble thing.
o Members are all very similar and have minimal contact with
the outside world, or the real
world.
o There
is a substantial amount of time, money and thought and encouragement invested
in promotion, lobbying and marketing.
o
Tax free status a major aspiration, or have already attained that.
o Funds or proceeds do not
stay in the country or state they were
earned in.
Investigate further. Such groups might still not be a danger to society, either in design or
effect, but could one day be run by someone who will take it that direction very easily.
Look for high risk signs: These are usually signs that
it has crossed the line into a dangerous or potentially dangerous organization.
o Manipulation of initiates
is obvious to outsiders.
o
It is very difficult, if
not impossible to leave their society. The aim is to make the new person addicted
or so familiar that the person loses the ability to be independent, or the fear
of repercussions are too high.
o That members are required to part with large amount of funds or assets.
o There
is a high degree of mental
stagnation, so that there is a focusing
on key principles or myths and general day to day knowledge is encouraged to be
forgotten.
o There
is a degree of mentally stressful or intensive practices. These maybe long
meditation retreats
with little sleep or food, high intensive workouts or other things. They may be
branded with an element of mystique and privilege.
o That it is impossible for
an ordinary member to have the same skills or status as the founder or
leadership. So the founder may be a dubbed an avatar, master, guru,
Bodhisattva, genius or other highly attained person, but the initiate will
never be on the same level, especially if some "powers" are not possible to develop ordinarily or even exist.
Members may or may not ever be aware
of this. Leaders and next generation leaders are
planned with no involvement or selection from the existing members.
o That all actions
committed by members are justified
or will be praised. Martyrdom may be encouraged.
o There
is a very effective propaganda system and intensive (but covert) political
lobbying.
o There
is not always a vast leadership structure,
but there can be. The more manipulative cult leadership prefers a wide gap between their status and others so
may practice a more flat working
hierarchy. This can create
"succession" issues, but usually its known who the next in charge
will be in advance.
o There
is a definite separation from society.
If you see these signs, it is best to do
one or all of the following.
o Learn your rights.
o If you are not prepared to leave the town, Stay calm and simply don't
get involved or take risks. Keep a polite distance so you are not made into an "enemy" of their group
which can be potentially dangerous in tight knit communities or remote towns. They won't harm you until you are a threat
to them.
o
Keep your thoughts and
feelings to only those you trust.
o Encourage dialogue and
exchanges between other groups. This prevents
minorities or dissenters being silenced and the "cult" taking over
the town. This does have confrontation risks if that was the plan all along
however.
o Move if it becomes
intolerable or unsafe. No-one is keeping you there
but yourself.
o Notify your federal law
enforcement agency if there is a
clear sign of the law being broken. Legally they need a "smoking gun"
to act on.
Warnings
- The most manipulative ones tend to be the most mundane to look at because they are designed to avoid being the focus of attention.
- As mentioned before, be safe and avoid taking risks. They won't place much interest in you until you are a risk to them, or you are a good "fish" to catch.
- Paranoia is really your biggest enemy, dangerous cults do exist but they actually aren't very common or have much to do with the outside world.
4 comments:
Kat said:
"In ntcc they encourage if the spouse leaves, the one remaining is FREE to remarry"
DnA said:
What a crock. If it suits them they don't mind twisting scriptures to justify themselves. You deserve to be free from these devils. In your case the unbelieving spouse is the one that doesn't read or pray, and is void of love and Godly responsibility. So many of the ntcc ministers mentally and spiritually abuse their wives. I've seen many of the ntcc pastors treat their wives like a stray dog or an unwanted step child. The women just seem to put up with it, because if they try to seek help from their narcissistic control mongering pastor, they will quickly be put in "their place", which is one of unquestioning servitude.
That is not loving your wife as Christ loved the church. The best thing an abused ntcc wife can do is get herself away from the abuser and those that enable him. The ntcc is a cult and it's leaders are very much like an abusive husband is to his wife. People need to divorce themselves from the ntcc before it destroys them. God never intended for you to taken advantage of in his name. You are precious in His sight and they think nothing of humiliating you and manipulating you for their own evil and selfish purposes.
My advise is to escape for your life. Leave and don't ever look back. If you can help someone else along the way you will have done more to help restore them to their rightful place in Christ than any ntcc schmuck will ever do for them.
Thanks for your thoughtful research into this subject matter, Kat. Its nice to know the truth is out there. I've always thought that any "group" that forbids outside thought... becomes sterile. I've seen in in many churches I've attended since the old "borg". All this riding of hobby-horses makes one sick. The continual negative stream also! The deceived don't realize how awful they sound...
I am so sorry to hear about your divorce. I am sorry that you did not marry an Ephesians 5 man.
Your divorce did surprise me because I knew him before he married you. If memory serves me correctly, we (people from his church) would tease him over how much he talked to you over the phone. We were in Hawaii and you were somewhere on the mainland.
He seemed to be a nice man, but marriage can reveal who we really are.
It is a shame that with after years of study in bible college and being in the ministry, he didn't figure out that his marriage was to be his number 1 ministry.
http://youtu.be/tUR-_TPHLbk
If his first name is not Dan, then I apologize for confusing you for another person.
Anonymous - thank you and yes, Dan is the right name here. Yes, he WAS a different person before marriage. I never like to talk anyone down if they aren't there to defend theirself, but after all, this IS a public forum and he may defend himself. Sadly enough, police had to come to our home more than once. He was removed one evening and said if they had to come back, someone would be going to jail. He would fight with my boys mostly, I wouldn't tolerate it. Prior to marriage, he promised to be a good roll model, to show them the way to God by holding bible studies with them and by being a father to them. He left nothing but anger and bitterness in their hearts. One 'divorced' me before 18 and moved back to his dad (who wasn't much better, but better than this). He never read the bible; in front of them or in private. He never prayed either in front of them, or in private. All he did was play video games on the computer, watch tv shows (on the computer!) movies, and complain nothing was ever good enough. Shortly after the split, my son came back. The whole ntcc event caused a lot of damage to my boys. Fortunately they are moving past it now.
Thank you for the video. You said it so well when you said how sad it was he didn't realize his marriage was his #1 ministry. AMEN and AMEN to that! Dan is more than welcome to defend himself if I said anything untrue but police reports don't lie. I also had witnesses (the Wilsons - Jared was the son's name/step son) witnessed Dan arguing with and pushing & hitting one of the boys. The Jones' of AZ were there during an argument (though in another room). They didn't say anything, but there is NO doubt they heard.
Ntcc hides them all and when I brought it all to Kekel, he didn't do anything about it. That's ok, they can keep there lies. God has helped me out and helped me to heal.
You're more than welcome to send me private email at any time to mommakat01@yahoo.com.
Blessings - Kat
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